This is gonna be a long one but I thought I'd share with those who'd understand. I'm posting below, an email conversation which, I think you'll find interesting. I sent my sis & bro-in-law a message a few weeks ago just to let them know they're in my thoughts...nice reply I got...
(names are changed to protect the guilty)
Hi Mary and Tom,
I know you aren't able to correspond with me but I think about you
every day and want you to know that I am doing well.
Since I don't think it's wrong to tell you that I care about you, I
thought I'd drop you a line or two. No reply needed, just sending my
love.
B
The Reply...
B,
Thanks,
Mary really didn't want me to respond, but I felt compelled to. PLEASE don't
say anything to anyone, it would upset Mary. You know how stalwart she is.
We do worry about you. When so many ex-witnesses go off the deep end, doing
things that even the worldly look down upon and can be so self destructive.
We also worry about Sally, Stuart, and Betty. You just hurt them so
much when you try to contact them. Sally especially. If you want what is
best for them, let them be. Sally and Betty are happily married. You
are the one that walked away. You taught them to be true to Jehovah. You
can't expect them to turn away from him without destroying them. Jehovah is
their only solid thing. The only thing they can depend on. They see both
their parents turning away.
You know that once you are brought up from birth as a Jehovahs Witness, very
few leave with positive results. Maybe you are an exception, but most I have
known have gone away to destructive practices and end unhappy.
Whether you believe in Jehovahs Witnesses or not, you know that for most, it
is all they have. When they leave, they don't have a solid foundation to
build on. We meet ex witnesses in the service and at work. Very few have a
good life. Maybe this is a result of the strong control that being a
Jehovahs Witness has. But it still is a fact.
Just let them be. They will find their own way.
Thanks,
Tom
My Response...
Tom,
Thanks for "worrying" about me.
One thing I can tell you is that I have NOT gone off the deep end, you may rest any "worried" minds at ease on that score. I am a stable, productive, HAPPY woman - happier and more sane than I was my entire life in the org! I recently heard from an old friend who has chosen, with her family, to leave the organization (and is also a very happy, sane, productive person) that there were quite a few untrue rumors that had been circulated about me - which, I am sure my children heard. If they choose to believe lies rather than ask me about my life directly, whose fault is that? They have no need to "worry" about me.
I live alone. I have good friends who care about me. I am productive. I am a spiritual person and take my spiritual life very seriously, and I apply the principles that Christ taught when he was on this earth. The only difference is, I began to question (and now no longer believe) that the organization is the one and only path to a righteous life.
I do not feel it's my place to tell ANYONE that they should leave the organization. I would certainly never tell my children to do so. The only thing I feel is wrong is for my children to misapply what I taught them. When I was in the hospital having surgery last winter, not one family member (outside of Michelle) bothered to call to check on how I was doing much less, stop to see if I needed anything. My "worldly" friends were the ones who took care of me and quite frankly, it didn't leave a very good impression on them as to what kind of Christians JW's are. I did NOT raise my children to behave toward a parent with such complete disregard.
I have met MANY former JW's since I left the org. and the amazing thing I'VE found is that outside of a very few - ALL of them are happy, healthy, sane, productive people who DON'T sit around bewailing the ills of the organization. We've simply moved on with life, knowing that our doors will remain open to our loved ones but that our loved ones have rejected US not the other way around.
I think it IS important that people realize that IF they find that they are unable to support the belief system they were raised with, there IS life beyond the organization. They don't have to be alone - they don't have to be afraid - that whole "life being a disaster" if you leave the org is nothing but propaganda designed instill fear.
Believing differently from someone you love is no excuse for rejecting them.
You and I have, in the past, had many conversations about your own doubts. I've come to realize that some of those doubts were not unfounded. I didn't arrive at my viewpoint by reading anti-JW literature - I came to this realization when my mother was dying. I began to really put my beliefs to the test and there were just too many holes that I could no longer ignore them.
I didn't make my choice to leave the org. based on anything more than no longer being able to live a lie. And for THAT decision, I have been rejected.
I will love my children until the day I die and the truth is, I have NOT turned my back on them. They are in my thoughts every day. Any attempts I make to contact them are met with anger and rebuff. No, the organization has created a system where fear of shunning is what keeps people there - it is, in fact, worse than the fear of eternal hellfire and damnation which the other churches use. And it works.
I'm sorry my family has forsaken me. That is their choice. I didn't leave them - I left a belief system that I no longer agree with. I had no choice but to live with integrity for what I believe to be right.
My heart is eternally open to my family but it is a choice they must make for themselves.
B
(names are changed to protect the guilty)
Hi Mary and Tom,
I know you aren't able to correspond with me but I think about you
every day and want you to know that I am doing well.
Since I don't think it's wrong to tell you that I care about you, I
thought I'd drop you a line or two. No reply needed, just sending my
love.
B
The Reply...
B,
Thanks,
Mary really didn't want me to respond, but I felt compelled to. PLEASE don't
say anything to anyone, it would upset Mary. You know how stalwart she is.
We do worry about you. When so many ex-witnesses go off the deep end, doing
things that even the worldly look down upon and can be so self destructive.
We also worry about Sally, Stuart, and Betty. You just hurt them so
much when you try to contact them. Sally especially. If you want what is
best for them, let them be. Sally and Betty are happily married. You
are the one that walked away. You taught them to be true to Jehovah. You
can't expect them to turn away from him without destroying them. Jehovah is
their only solid thing. The only thing they can depend on. They see both
their parents turning away.
You know that once you are brought up from birth as a Jehovahs Witness, very
few leave with positive results. Maybe you are an exception, but most I have
known have gone away to destructive practices and end unhappy.
Whether you believe in Jehovahs Witnesses or not, you know that for most, it
is all they have. When they leave, they don't have a solid foundation to
build on. We meet ex witnesses in the service and at work. Very few have a
good life. Maybe this is a result of the strong control that being a
Jehovahs Witness has. But it still is a fact.
Just let them be. They will find their own way.
Thanks,
Tom
My Response...
Tom,
Thanks for "worrying" about me.
One thing I can tell you is that I have NOT gone off the deep end, you may rest any "worried" minds at ease on that score. I am a stable, productive, HAPPY woman - happier and more sane than I was my entire life in the org! I recently heard from an old friend who has chosen, with her family, to leave the organization (and is also a very happy, sane, productive person) that there were quite a few untrue rumors that had been circulated about me - which, I am sure my children heard. If they choose to believe lies rather than ask me about my life directly, whose fault is that? They have no need to "worry" about me.
I live alone. I have good friends who care about me. I am productive. I am a spiritual person and take my spiritual life very seriously, and I apply the principles that Christ taught when he was on this earth. The only difference is, I began to question (and now no longer believe) that the organization is the one and only path to a righteous life.
I do not feel it's my place to tell ANYONE that they should leave the organization. I would certainly never tell my children to do so. The only thing I feel is wrong is for my children to misapply what I taught them. When I was in the hospital having surgery last winter, not one family member (outside of Michelle) bothered to call to check on how I was doing much less, stop to see if I needed anything. My "worldly" friends were the ones who took care of me and quite frankly, it didn't leave a very good impression on them as to what kind of Christians JW's are. I did NOT raise my children to behave toward a parent with such complete disregard.
I have met MANY former JW's since I left the org. and the amazing thing I'VE found is that outside of a very few - ALL of them are happy, healthy, sane, productive people who DON'T sit around bewailing the ills of the organization. We've simply moved on with life, knowing that our doors will remain open to our loved ones but that our loved ones have rejected US not the other way around.
I think it IS important that people realize that IF they find that they are unable to support the belief system they were raised with, there IS life beyond the organization. They don't have to be alone - they don't have to be afraid - that whole "life being a disaster" if you leave the org is nothing but propaganda designed instill fear.
Believing differently from someone you love is no excuse for rejecting them.
You and I have, in the past, had many conversations about your own doubts. I've come to realize that some of those doubts were not unfounded. I didn't arrive at my viewpoint by reading anti-JW literature - I came to this realization when my mother was dying. I began to really put my beliefs to the test and there were just too many holes that I could no longer ignore them.
I didn't make my choice to leave the org. based on anything more than no longer being able to live a lie. And for THAT decision, I have been rejected.
I will love my children until the day I die and the truth is, I have NOT turned my back on them. They are in my thoughts every day. Any attempts I make to contact them are met with anger and rebuff. No, the organization has created a system where fear of shunning is what keeps people there - it is, in fact, worse than the fear of eternal hellfire and damnation which the other churches use. And it works.
I'm sorry my family has forsaken me. That is their choice. I didn't leave them - I left a belief system that I no longer agree with. I had no choice but to live with integrity for what I believe to be right.
My heart is eternally open to my family but it is a choice they must make for themselves.
B
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Mon, December 10, 2007 - 1:44 PM*B* ,
I bow to you!! YOU are so awesome. Your reply is so well thought out, articulate and clear. Everything you've said is so true.
You really stood up for yourself well.
I love him saying this:
<You know that once you are brought up from birth as a Jehovahs Witness, very
few leave with positive results.>
GUH!! I'm so glad you clearified the ridiculousness of this statement, of this untrue rumor. I think people start rumors on purpose just to back up this belief.
I mean how do they know that? They don't talk to anyone that leaves, so how would they know?
You go girl!!
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Mon, December 10, 2007 - 1:49 PMJesus, B, are you trying to make us cry? -
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Tue, December 11, 2007 - 5:40 AM"Very few have a good life. Maybe this is a result of the strong control that being a
Jehovahs Witness has. But it still is a fact."
<Smacks forehead and shakes head at peoples stupidity.>
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Tue, December 11, 2007 - 9:14 AMI am in awe of you.
You definitely moved me to tears with your reply. You spoke your heart so clearly, I wish I knew how to say what I feel.
I can not say I understand what it would be like to be to be treated by your children with <such complete disregard>, but this last couple months I've been starting to understand the depth of love a mother has for her children.... My heart goes out to you.
It's amazing how strong everyone in this tribe is, everyone here has had to say goodbye to people they love in order to be true to themselves, we are living breathing typing truth that we can make it outside of the organization. We are those who are willing to take chances even when there sometimes may have been that little fear... 'what if I am wrong after all?' We have happy lives, we overcame fears that have been instilled in us.
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Tue, December 11, 2007 - 8:16 PMThanks for all of the kind words. I feel very fortunate to no longer be living as a slave to an organization.
There was an interesting development after I sent my bro-in-law my reply. He emailed me from a private email address that my sister doesn't have access to. I'd originally emailed them through their business web site.
Here is his TRUTHFUL reply...
Hi B,
Well it is nice to know you are doing well. I didn't mean I was Worried you were going to be destroyed at Armagedon. I am glad to know the stories aren't true about those who leave.
I don't know how much I should say. I just don't want anything I tell you to get back to Mary and the others.
My doubts have never subsided. I have to admit that when I wasn't going to meetings, I did feel happier. I don't know that there is anything worse than going to meetings and hearing how BAD you are for not doing more or having a stronger faith. Maybe its just as bad to have your wife constantly upset because you are not going to meetings. So now I am going to meetings again, I pray, I say our meal prayers, I am giving talks and it has helped so much. All I had to do was go to more meetings, and study more, and go out in service moreā¦. Now my doubts are stronger than ever.
I think Mary knows how I feel but I don't dare say anything or she gets very sad and upset. I do love her and I guess I will do anything for her. You know she is a great lady. But it is hard living with a saint. She doesn't understand how I feel.
I guess its kind of like being in Nazi Germany. You don't dare say anything against the 'Faithful and Descrete Slave' to any of our friends.
I know it is hard on Mary too. We don't really have any friends. I'm not strong enough and really don't have anything in common with most of the brothers here.
As far as your kids go. You know they aren't rejecting you. Being a JW, you have a choice, talk to disfellowshipped ones and be berated or don't. They love Jehovah, they love you, but they know they can't show it to both.
Anyway, if you want to respond, please respond at this email address.
Thanks,
Tom
and my last reply to him...
Hi Tom,
I feel for you, my kids, Mary and everyone who is kept in a state of fear if they express how they think and/or feel openly or if they want to express love for someone who no longer agrees with a belief system.
I just couldn't live that way anymore. I know it had to be a huge shock to everyone - I was probably one of the most "devoted" JW's you would ever want to find. Ironically, it was the very integrity I learned growing up in the "truth", that gave me the strengh to do what I knew was right. As a JW, you learn to be prepared to give up your loved ones in order to do what is right - I really had no choice.
When I left the org, it took me a while to let go of fear. Would you believe that the entire time I was in the org, I was ruled by fear. I had all kinds of phobias, fear of death, fear of everything! After leaving, I have been able to let go of ALL of these fears and I finally began "living" my life in each moment rather than thinking that today is pointless and there is nothing except a future Paradise to live for.
Watching my mother die so painfully, consumed by fear of death in spite of her "faith" made me realize that I could not live my life ruled by fear any longer. I was miserable!
I wasn't able to heal some deeply buried old emotional wounds until I left the org...I can say with complete conviction that leaving saved my sanity!
My heart aches to see how many people are ruled by fear within the org and don't even recognize it. Especially so, my children. While I would never suggest to them they should leave it - I DO want them to know that my door is always open, that I love them and that IF they should choose to live their lives differently, there IS a place to go that isn't full of the misery they imagine.
I've been contacted by more than one individual from my old cong (people who have literally come looking for me) and have told me that the ONLY reason they remain there is due to fear of the repercussions - namely losing their families. They have said they wished they could be as courageous a I've been. These aren't "fringe members" - these are people thought of as pillars of the congregation!
I feel for you - I know it can't be easy to "go through the motions" as one of my former friends told me - something they are doing, as well. I love Mary, she IS a wonderful person, I just wish she could let go of fear and allow you to be who you really are as a person.
I would love to know what's been happening with my family. I know Betty was pregnant with a second child (Sally called me on her 30th B-Day this last June so that's the last I've heard from anyone). I would like to know how Stuart is doing and what is happening in his life. Would you mind updating me? If I can't communicate with my children, I would at least be grateful to know what is happening in their lives.
Thank you for sending me this message today.
Warmly,
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Re: Frustration!
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 12:50 PMI got another email from my bro-in-law today. He let me know how my kids are doing. My daughter had her baby, a girl, and is doing well. My oldest daughter is pregnant and struggling with morning sickness and depression (I do wish she would let me be there for her). And my son seems to be doing fine. "Tom" said he's try to get more information to pass on to me.
So, all-in-all good things are coming out of this.
I now have a link to my family, at least to know how they're doing AND he now has a safe harbor to express his feelings about it all. He told me in this last email that it has been very hard for him but he loves my sis and would do anything for her.
I'm feeling SO much better today!
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Re: Frustration!
Wed, December 12, 2007 - 2:05 PMYay! there is hope. With anyone in the org, it's tough, I've had friends that will catch up with me then disappear for awhile. All I can think is they feel scared and guilty for talking to me so they stop for awhile. Hopefully you guys can keep the lines of communication open.
Congratulations on your growing family, by the way!! :)
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 12:57 PMWhat an emotional couple of e-mails Beki. I am happy to hear the risk you took with reaching out and being honest with your brother-in-law is paying off and you are feeling good. :)
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 8:52 AMClearly B you've had it a lot harder than me. I had left in '96 and hadn't talked to any of my family except those that left before me since. Then last year when I broke my neck in NV I got a surprise visit while in the hospital... my parents. They drove out from Illinois, stayed in a hotel until I was released, and moved me in with them. During the time I was living with them I managed to see the brothers and sisters (blood relatives not congregation) I had left behind. When I left I was the fourth out of eight to leave JWs, one of my brothers had left during the 9 years I was gone, another brother and sister are kind of on the fence, and the last sister came up to me while I was still in my neck brace, hugged me and said "I love my family, but I love Jehovah more" and I haven't seen her since. You had surgery last year and only one family member visited you, I bow to your strength as well as your reply to their propaganda filled drivel. -
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Thu, December 27, 2007 - 8:16 PMWell, none of them visited but my oldest daughter called me on the phone - at least that was something.
My bro-in-law and I have been exchanging emails almost daily since this thread started - he's trying to figure out how to free himself from the org without ruining his marriage. I feel for him - it isn't easy.
He actually stated in one of his emails that it was the JW's that destroyed his faith in God!
Sad statement.
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Re: Frustration!
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 9:08 AMThat was a very good, heart felt post.
I remember when I was in the org. Someone saying that people that left or married out of the "truth," usually wound up marrying the wildest people with odd colored dyed hair. lol So far, I haven't entered into any of those negative stereotypes, and although my life isn't where I'd like it to be finiacially, I do currently hold my sanity. lol
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